Why aren’t Ryzen gaming laptops getting the same GPU love as their Intel-based rivals? In the same week that Alienware updated its M17 and Area 51m with GeForce RTX 2080 super-GPUs, and Gigabyte unveiled its Aorus 15P for professional gamers with a 10th generation Intel CPU and GeForce RTX 2070 Max-Q, Ryzen was hidden from the New Gaming laptops that are faster than a GeForce RTX 2060.
Even the Omen 15 from Ryzen recently published by HP cannot take a break. The version of the Omen 15 with an 8-core Ryzen 7 4800H currently offers a GeForce GTX 1660 Ti with an RTX 2060 Max-Q version on the way. However, the Intel version has a 6-core Core i7-1
The situation is so confusing that reputable media such as Notebookcheck.net have openly wondered where the Ryzen laptops with high-end GPUs are. The puzzle, of course, has also spawned conspiracy theories from those who speculate that the real or imaginary hand of Intel is at work.
“… the fact that not a single OEM offers me a high-end Ryzen laptop sounds like the OEMs are being bribed by Intel or something similar,” suspected a Redditor in the AMD subreddit. “I don’t want to have to give Intel any money, but when there isn’t a single option for a high-end Ryzen laptop, I have no choice.”
Ryzen 4000 doesn’t have enough PCIe?
Igorslab.de (the successor to Toms Hardware Germany) actually throws up the theory that the lack of Ryzens with high-end GPUs may be due to the mobile chip from AMD itself. According to the laptop manufacturers it spoke to, according to Igorslab.de, the Ryzen 4000’s access to only eight PCIe 3.0 lanes was seen as too much of a penalty. “A gaming laptop with a more powerful GeForce RTX would already have to struggle with unnecessary restrictions,” said Igor Wallossek.
Wallossek makes a good point, but that hasn’t stopped other laptop manufacturers from deliberately making the same design choices with more powerful hardware. For example, the original Area 51m from Alienware has a desktop Core i9 and a GeForce RTX 2080. While this chip has 16 PCIe 3.0 lanes, Alienware intentionally uses half of them for the amplifier expansion port. When asked why, Alienware employees told PCWorld that its research, as well as independent research, has long shown that PCIe bandwidth is not a limiting factor in today’s games.
So if it’s not a technical reason, does it have to be darker forces? PCWorld asked Nvidia for comment, but the company was mom.
Good burn, Intel
However, Intel employees have willingly volunteered that maybe, just maybe, Core is better, and that’s why high-end GPUs are included.
“We cannot comment on every design decision made by our OEM partner,” said an Intel spokesman. “We believe it is important that systems are designed to take full advantage of the combined configurations and have a balanced level of performance between the CPU and GPU to avoid bottlenecks.”
The company recently showed vendors that its high clock speeds are still more important than the sheer thread count Ryzen offers in most games. Intel representatives further suggested that it might be better to have more PCIe. “Intel processors of the 10th generation of the H-series offer the highest frequencies for mobile processors in order to exploit the maximum gaming potential. The platform has desktop-like features with 40 3rd generation PCIe lanes to take full advantage of the highest-priced GPUs Support enthusiast-preferred configurations such as RAID SSD (up to 4) to give gamers the highest FPS available -Be able to enjoy experiences. “
Again, we don’t believe that the GPU bandwidth is necessarily involved here, but Solid Burn, Intel.
So what’s really going on?
PCWorld reached out to several industry sources, none of which asked to be identified by name. In any case, several said it was not the screams of conspiracy and technical flaws.
Two of the nameless laptop makers told PCWorld it was just timing. It’s been a busy year with the pandemic, temporarily closed factories, demand for laptops, and new product launches. PCWorld has been told that the chatter about the fire is meant to give time, and the situation will change.
PCWorld was already familiar with AMD’s side of the story, delivered by chief architect Frank Azor, when he visited The Full Nerd in May. Azor addresses the lack of high-end GPUs in Ryzen laptops 48 minutes after the interview began.
Azor, who previously worked at Alienware and Dell, also attributed this to timing. Azor said laptop manufacturers have limited budgets. When Ryzen 4000 was on the roadmap, few would make big bets on a CPU that hadn’t done well before. While AMD’s reputation has improved with gamers and enthusiasts, many laptop customers have also been unwilling to bet on it.
The first Ryzen 4000 laptops changed that perception, Azor said, but it still takes some time to develop, test, and manufacture new products.